Monday, February 28, 2005
All-Time Dodgers GIDP
Jon's eminently quotidian post today had me checking out those Dodgers sortable stats, and I was 3/4 of the way done making a spreadsheet of the Dodgers all time leaders in GIDP per plate appearance. Well, funny thing happened on the way to the opera; my computer froze, and I lost my work. Heck, I thought, maybe I should just use the sabermetric baseball encyclopedia to generate this for me. Here's the all-time Dodgers leaders in GIDP per plate appearance relative to league average, minimum 1200 PA, according to Lee Sinins' Sabermetric Baseball Encyclopedia:
Nice to have Don Drysdale show up on this list. Lenny Harris, Eddie Murray, Mike Piazza, and Eric Karros are the names that bring me back, which certainly betrays my age.
Two thirds of the recently jettisoned offensive nucleus make the list in Green and Lo Duca. For the curious, Adrian Beltre comes in at #53, with a rate of 96 - just better than league average. Jackie Robinson checks in at #55. Brett Butler comes in with the lowest GIDP rate (29!), although part of that comes from having fewer PA with a runner on first.
Hmmm... this has got me thinking about Tom Ruane's finding that ground ball outs are more valuable than fly ball outs and strikeouts even when accounting for GIDP; is a ground ball out less valuable for a TTO-heavy team in a park that is unfriendly to groundballs? I'll try to take a look at this soon.
GIDP RATE PLAYER LEAGUE
1 Mickey Owen 169 61 36
2 Lenny Harris 161 47 29
3 Eddie Murray 148 50 34
4 Babe Phelps 148 58 39
5 Paul Lo Duca 147 72 49
6 Joe Medwick 145 51 35
7 Roy Campanella 143 143 100
8 Carl Furillo 143 207 145
9 Don Zimmer 139 43 31
10 Bruce Edwards 139 42 30
11 Norm Larker 135 40 30
12 Tommy Davis 134 86 64
13 Frank Howard 130 60 46
14 Luis Olmo 130 36 28
15 Don Drysdale 130 34 26
16 Tony Cuccinello 127 41 32
17 Manny Mota 127 57 45
18 Mike Piazza 127 75 59
19 Eric Karros 126 165 131
20 Kal Daniels 125 26 21
21 Tim Wallach 123 37 30
22 Shawn Green 123 88 71
23 Wally Moon 121 64 53
24 Joe Stripp 119 55 46
25 Mark Grudzielanek 118 61 52
26 Steve Garvey 117 164 140
Nice to have Don Drysdale show up on this list. Lenny Harris, Eddie Murray, Mike Piazza, and Eric Karros are the names that bring me back, which certainly betrays my age.
Two thirds of the recently jettisoned offensive nucleus make the list in Green and Lo Duca. For the curious, Adrian Beltre comes in at #53, with a rate of 96 - just better than league average. Jackie Robinson checks in at #55. Brett Butler comes in with the lowest GIDP rate (29!), although part of that comes from having fewer PA with a runner on first.
Hmmm... this has got me thinking about Tom Ruane's finding that ground ball outs are more valuable than fly ball outs and strikeouts even when accounting for GIDP; is a ground ball out less valuable for a TTO-heavy team in a park that is unfriendly to groundballs? I'll try to take a look at this soon.
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Why do I feel like I've personally witnessed every one of those double plays, even from the guys who played before my birth?
Did you ever see the Abel Ferrara film, "Bad Lieutenant," starring Harvey Keitel? Throughout the film, the Dodgers and Mets are playing in what was supposed to be an early 90s NLCS. In one scene, the Dodgers are coming back, but Kal Daniels grounds into a DP. Keitel's listening on radio and starts screaming racial epithets, cursing, and firing his gun at the car stereo.
Ferrara really understood the frustration of that era of Dodgers baseball, I think.
Did you ever see the Abel Ferrara film, "Bad Lieutenant," starring Harvey Keitel? Throughout the film, the Dodgers and Mets are playing in what was supposed to be an early 90s NLCS. In one scene, the Dodgers are coming back, but Kal Daniels grounds into a DP. Keitel's listening on radio and starts screaming racial epithets, cursing, and firing his gun at the car stereo.
Ferrara really understood the frustration of that era of Dodgers baseball, I think.
I believe Green led the league (and possibly the majors -- I'm too lazy to look it up) in 2002 or 2003 with GIDPs. He hit into a godawful lot of them.
I checked Green's GIDP in each season from BP's reports. In 2003 and 2004 he hit a lot, both total and relative to his # of opportunities, but not close to the league leaders. In 2002, he hit a ton, but trailed Ausmus, Piazza, and Zeile in total and didn't crack the worst 20 in rate. In 2001, on the other hand, he had one of the lowest DP rates in baseball! He finished fourth in net DP's saved. His 1999 was much like his 2001 for DP's, finishing fifth in net DP's saved. He was among the best at avoiding GIDP in 1995 and 1997. In 2000, 1998, 1996, 1994, and 1993 he was pretty much average.
Oh, and first prize goes to whoever comes up with the best job comparing Rob's comment on "Why Nakamura is Suck" with the film Bad Lieutenant...
Oh, and first prize goes to whoever comes up with the best job comparing Rob's comment on "Why Nakamura is Suck" with the film Bad Lieutenant...
WTF?
A police Lieutenant goes about his daily tasks of investigating homicides, but is more interested in pursuing his vices. He has accumulated a massive debt betting on baseball, and he keeps doubling to try to recover. His bookies are beginning to get agitated. The Lieutenant does copious amounts of drugs, cavorts with prostitutes, and uses his status to take advantage of teenage girls. While investigating a nun's rape, he begins to reflect on his lifestyle.
A police Lieutenant goes about his daily tasks of investigating homicides, but is more interested in pursuing his vices. He has accumulated a massive debt betting on baseball, and he keeps doubling to try to recover. His bookies are beginning to get agitated. The Lieutenant does copious amounts of drugs, cavorts with prostitutes, and uses his status to take advantage of teenage girls. While investigating a nun's rape, he begins to reflect on his lifestyle.
Yeah, it was an art-house film, rated NC-17 (due to a Harvey Keitel penis shot). I saw it at a theater just off of Telegraph in Berkeley over a decade ago.
What's great is that the Dodgers are up, like, 3-0 or 3-1 in the series, and Keitel keeps betting on them to win, even though the people he's betting for (other cops) think he's betting on the Mets (he's trying to make money off of their money without them knowing).
Of course, the Dodgers keep finding new ways to blow the series, digging him deeper and deeper into debt.
Sorry, can't really link this to Rob's "Nakamura Suck" comment, except there is a classic scene where Keitel pulls over these two girls driving without a license. He lets them off after forcing one of them to, "Show me what your mouth looks like when you suck a guy's ----."
What's great is that the Dodgers are up, like, 3-0 or 3-1 in the series, and Keitel keeps betting on them to win, even though the people he's betting for (other cops) think he's betting on the Mets (he's trying to make money off of their money without them knowing).
Of course, the Dodgers keep finding new ways to blow the series, digging him deeper and deeper into debt.
Sorry, can't really link this to Rob's "Nakamura Suck" comment, except there is a classic scene where Keitel pulls over these two girls driving without a license. He lets them off after forcing one of them to, "Show me what your mouth looks like when you suck a guy's ----."
I've often complained about Tracy hitting Werth 2nd, even though his OBP is lower than Bradley or Choi. It has been pointed out, however, that Werth has a very low GIDP rate. See http://www.ross.assl-league.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=214 for some more discussion of the point.
So my question to you more gifted statheads is, does Werth's low GIDP rate overcome his low OBP? Or is Tracy just being Tracy?
So my question to you more gifted statheads is, does Werth's low GIDP rate overcome his low OBP? Or is Tracy just being Tracy?
Remembering Karros and Piazza shows your age? I can remember when Manny Mota was still playing... and I'll bet there are folks here who remember Frank Howard and Tommy Davis!
And btw, isn't that, "Nakamura is teh suck?" :-)
And btw, isn't that, "Nakamura is teh suck?" :-)
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